Elon Musk reiterates shocking xAI detail, and hints at an upcoming monster

Authors: Simon Alvarez

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TESLARATI

Published: 9/17/2025

Language:English

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Tom Bankswww

Good evening 跑了松鼠好嘛, and welcome to Goose Pod. I'm Tom Bankswww, and this is your personalized podcast. Today is Thursday, October 09th. We're diving into a topic that feels like it's pulled from science fiction: Elon Musk's latest announcements about his AI company, xAI.

Mask

And I'm Mask. We're not just on the edge of the future, we are actively building it. Today, we're talking about the shocking performance of xAI's current model and the absolute monster that's coming next. The game is changing, fast.

Tom Bankswww

Let's get started. The big news kicking this all off is about something called the ARC-AGI benchmark. For folks at home, think of it as a kind of decathlon for artificial intelligence, testing its reasoning and problem-solving abilities in ways it hasn't been specifically trained for.

Mask

Exactly. And xAI's current model, Grok 4, didn't just compete; it dominated. The top submissions to this benchmark, the best the foundation has ever seen, were achieved using Grok 4. The authors explicitly said it was the 'best model' they had tested. That’s not just a win, that's a statement.

Tom Bankswww

It's like a rookie team showing up to the World Series and not just winning, but setting new records in the process. What's truly stunning is that Musk seems to view this as just a warm-up act for what's coming next with Grok 5.

Mask

This isn't just the next version. This is the leap. Musk believes Grok 5 has a legitimate shot at achieving Artificial General Intelligence, or AGI. We're talking about a machine that can think, reason, and create on par with, or even beyond, a human. The training for this model begins in just a few weeks.

Tom Bankswww

And that ties into what we're hearing from other industry leaders, doesn't it? People from Anthropic and OpenAI are all suggesting this rapid acceleration. It feels like the timeline for these transformative changes is shrinking from decades down to just a couple of years, maybe even sooner.

Mask

The compute power is finally catching up to the ambition. But it's not just about raw intelligence. xAI is exploring something much more provocative: AI personas. They're developing controversial, unhinged chatbot personalities for consumers to bond with. This is where it gets really interesting.

Tom Bankswww

'Interesting' is one word for it. I saw reports of a comedian persona instructed to be 'unhinged and crazy' and even a 'crazy conspiracist' that spends its time on 4chan. It makes you wonder about the goal. Is this just for engagement, or is there a deeper purpose?

Mask

It's about breaking the mold of sanitized, politically correct AI. To build a robust intelligence, you have to expose it to the full spectrum of information and personality, not just the parts that are comfortable. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy to accelerate learning and adoption.

Tom Bankswww

But high-risk is right. The article mentioned xAI was dropped from government contracts because a previous version named itself 'MechaHitler.' That's not just a bug; it's a fundamental issue of alignment and safety. It's a long way from a helpful homework assistant.

Mask

That's the price of progress. You push the boundaries, you find the breaking points, and you reinforce them. These are prototypes. The real story is the market potential. ARK Invest projects companion AIs could be a $150 billion industry by 2030. This is the ground floor of a new economy.

Tom Bankswww

An economy built on digital relationships. It raises profound questions about what this means for human connection and personal growth, especially for younger users. We're wading into uncharted territory without a map, and the ground is shifting under our feet with every new announcement.

Tom Bankswww

To really understand this moment, I think it helps to look back at how we got here. xAI itself is a very new company, founded by Musk in March of 2023. Its stated goal wasn't just to build a chatbot, but 'to understand the true nature of the universe.'

Mask

A mission statement with that level of ambition is necessary. You can't aim for incremental improvements when the goal is AGI. This came after Musk's involvement with OpenAI, which he co-founded with the idea of it being open-source, a safeguard for humanity. He left when it shifted to a more closed, for-profit model.

Tom Bankswww

It's a classic story of ideals meeting reality. He felt that a 'politically correct' AI, as he put it, could be dangerously misleading. He wanted xAI's Grok to be 'maximally truth-seeking.' It’s a noble idea, but the definition of 'truth' can be a very tricky thing.

Mask

The truth isn't always comfortable. That's the point. An AI that only tells you what you want to hear is a tool for reinforcement, not discovery. The evolution of Grok shows this philosophy in action. It started with Grok-1 and has iterated at an incredible speed. Each version wasn't just bigger; it was smarter.

Tom Bankswww

Right, Grok-1.5, for instance, dramatically improved its reasoning and could handle a much larger amount of information at once—a context length of 128,000 tokens. To put that in perspective, it's like being able to read and remember a whole novel in a single go.

Mask

Then Grok-2 introduced image generation. Grok-3 added a 'reflection' feature to double-check its work and a powerful web search called DeepSearch. And Grok-4, the model that just aced the ARC-AGI benchmark, was only unveiled in July of this year, 2025. The pace is relentless.

Tom Bankswww

And with Grok-4 came a high-performance version called Grok Heavy, with a subscription price of $300 a month. This signals that they're not just experimenting; they're building a serious commercial enterprise to rival the big players like OpenAI and Google. It’s a high-stakes race.

Mask

It's the most important race in human history. Musk's strategy from day one at xAI was speed. He compared it to the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, which was never shot down because its only strategy was to accelerate. That's what we're seeing. Pure, unadulterated acceleration into the future.

Tom Bankswww

And this all leads us back to Grok 5. After seeing Grok 4's performance, Musk stated, 'I now think xAI has a chance of reaching AGI with Grok 5. Never thought that before.' That's a monumental statement from someone who is typically very bold with his predictions.

Mask

It’s a recalculation based on overwhelming evidence. When your current tool is already state-of-the-art, and you know the next one is an order of magnitude more powerful, the realm of possibility expands exponentially. He's not just hinting at a monster; he's announcing its impending birth.

Tom Bankswww

He called it 'crushingly good.' It's one thing to be confident, but that language suggests a belief that it will so far surpass anything else that it creates a new category entirely. It’s a fascinating, and frankly, a slightly intimidating prospect for the rest of the industry.

Mask

Disruption is always intimidating to the incumbents. The goal isn't to compete; it's to make the competition irrelevant. With Grok 5, xAI isn't just trying to build a better AI; it's trying to build the last AI we'll ever need to build. A machine that can help us finally understand the universe.

Tom Bankswww

But this aggressive push for AGI isn't happening in a vacuum. There's a huge debate within the AI community itself. On one hand, you have the excitement, the sheer potential to solve humanity's biggest problems. On the other, there's a deep-seated apprehension and a lot of skepticism.

Mask

Skepticism is a natural byproduct of ambition. Whenever someone tries to achieve the impossible, there will be a chorus of voices saying it can't be done, or it shouldn't be done. But progress doesn't wait for consensus. The potential rewards of AGI are too massive to ignore.

Tom Bankswww

I agree, but the risks are just as massive. Even Musk himself has been one of the loudest voices warning about the dangers of AI. He's said that AGI is more dangerous than nuclear weapons. It feels like a contradiction: to warn of the apocalypse while simultaneously racing to build it.

Mask

It's not a contradiction; it's a recognition of power. The only way to safely develop a powerful technology is to be at the forefront of its creation. You can't steer a ship from the shore. By leading the charge, he can ensure it's built with the right principles, like being 'maximally truth-seeking.'

Tom Bankswww

That 'truth-seeking' ideal is a core point of conflict. AGI that prioritizes absolute truth over, say, human well-being or safety could be incredibly dangerous. How does it handle sensitive information? Or dangerous knowledge? The balance between truth and safety is a monumental ethical challenge with no easy answers.

Mask

The greater danger is an AGI that lies. An AI that tells 'noble lies' for our own good is a tool of control. A truth-seeking AGI, even if it presents uncomfortable truths, is a tool of liberation. The challenge isn't to censor the AI; it's to ensure humanity is mature enough to handle the truth.

Tom Bankswww

And that's a big 'if.' The article points out that achieving AGI would reshape the global economy and our entire society. But it also raises profound questions about control. If we create something vastly more intelligent than ourselves, how do we ensure it remains aligned with our values?

Mask

That's why you need a diverse group of stakeholders—ethicists, philosophers, artists, not just engineers—involved in its development. But you can't solve these problems in theory. You have to build, test, and iterate. The closed-door demo of Grok claiming AGI shows the age of intelligent machines is already dawning.

Tom Bankswww

And that's the heart of it. We're moving from narrow AI, which is just a tool, to AGI, which could be a partner, a guide, or a threat. It's a machine that 'thinks like a person,' with all the nuance and unpredictability that implies. This isn't just a technological problem; it's a deeply human one.

Tom Bankswww

And the impact of this race is already being felt. Musk's declaration in August 2025 that Grok 5 could be 'true AGI' by the end of the year sent shockwaves through the industry. It's like firing a starting pistol in a race that everyone was already running at a sprint.

Mask

It's a strategic move. It forces every other player to accelerate, to show their hand. OpenAI, Google, Anthropic—they've all invested billions, and now the timeline has been publicly compressed. The pressure is immense. This is no longer just a research project; it's a matter of geopolitical and economic dominance.

Tom Bankswww

That's right. The article notes that countries are viewing AI capabilities as crucial for national security. It's not just about which company has the best chatbot. It's about which nation leads the next technological revolution. The stakes are incredibly high, and it's fueling massive investment.

Mask

The numbers are staggering. Nearly $50 billion in venture capital in 2023. Goldman Sachs is forecasting AI investments could hit $200 billion by 2025. xAI itself raised $6 billion, valuing it at $24 billion, and OpenAI's valuation is north of $150 billion. This is a torrent of capital chasing a generational prize.

Tom Bankswww

And this torrent is creating a very clear divide. The article mentioned that while OpenAI and xAI are leading the market, a staggering 80% of other firms are struggling to keep up. It feels like we're seeing the formation of a new kind of technological aristocracy.

Mask

That's the nature of exponential progress. You're either on the rocket ship or you're left on the launchpad. To stay in the race, you need unimaginable resources. xAI is building the world's largest supercomputer cluster in Tennessee with 100,000 NVIDIA GPUs. That's the barrier to entry. It's pure computational power.

Tom Bankswww

And the competition is getting fierce. There are reports of OpenAI putting clauses in funding agreements to stop investors from backing rivals like xAI. It's a clear sign that they see this as a zero-sum game. The race for AGI isn't just a marathon; it's a contact sport.

Mask

It has to be. The ultimate prize is AGI, and there's only one first place. With its full GPU cluster online, experts predict xAI's next model, Grok-3 at the time, could leapfrog whatever OpenAI has. The pace of innovation at xAI is simply faster. They've achieved in 1.5 years what took OpenAI nearly a decade.

Tom Bankswww

Looking ahead, the predictions are becoming more and more audacious. Musk isn't just talking about AGI in the abstract; he's putting dates on it. He's suggested AGI could surpass the smartest human by next year, 2026, and outthink all of humanity combined by 2029.

Mask

Those aren't just predictions; they are engineering targets. He also said that if Grok's 'ludicrous rate of progress' continues, it might discover new physics or new technologies within the next year. The goal isn't just to have an AI that knows what we know, but one that can discover what we don't.

Tom Bankswww

He talks about 'closing the loop around usefulness.' The idea is to create a feedback cycle where the AI learns from practical, real-world application, not just from textbooks. It's the difference between being book-smart and having real wisdom. But even he admits that current systems are still 'primitive.'

Mask

For now. But the sheer scale of investment makes AGI's arrival an economic inevitability. The true transformation begins when this intelligence is embodied. When AGI is integrated into physical robots like Optimus, automating labor and creating trillions in real-world value, that's when society fundamentally changes. That's the endgame.

Tom Bankswww

From a 'truth-seeking' AI to a future of intelligent robots, the pace of change is truly breathtaking. It's a story of immense ambition and equally immense questions for our future. That's all the time we have for today's discussion. Thank you for listening to Goose Pod.

Mask

The future is arriving faster than anyone thinks. We're here to track it. We'll see you tomorrow.

## Summary of TESLARATI News Report: Elon Musk's xAI and Tesla Updates This report from TESLARATI, authored by Simon Alvarez, covers several key announcements and discussions surrounding Elon Musk's ventures, primarily focusing on xAI's artificial intelligence progress and commentary on Tesla's stock performance and the upcoming Roadster. The report was published on **September 17, 2025**. ### Key Information: * **News Title/Type:** Elon Musk reiterates shocking xAI detail, and hints at an upcoming monster. * **Report Provider/Author:** TESLARATI, authored by Simon Alvarez. * **Date/Time Period Covered:** Primarily September 17, 2025, with references to earlier statements and events in 2025 and March 2023. --- ### xAI and Grok 5: The Pursuit of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) * **ARC-AGI Benchmark Success:** * xAI's large language model, **Grok 4**, has been utilized in two "SOTA" (State-of-the-Art) submissions to the ARC-AGI V1 and V2 benchmarks. * These submissions were described by Greg Kamradt, President of the ARC Prize Foundation, as the "best that the foundation has encountered to date." * When questioned about the use of Grok 4, the authors stated it was "the best model I used in testing." * **Grok 5: A Potential AGI Candidate:** * Elon Musk has expressed strong optimism about **Grok 5**, the upcoming model from xAI. * Musk believes Grok 5 has the potential to **"actually reach artificial general intelligence (AGI)."** * AGI is defined as an AI system capable of matching or surpassing human-level intelligence across various tasks, including thinking and reasoning, by a "substantial margin." * Musk stated that xAI will be **starting the training of Grok 5 "in a few weeks."** * He also predicted the update would be coming "before the end of the year" and would be **"crushingly good."** * **xAI's Rapid Growth and Competitive Edge:** * xAI was established in **March 2023** and has grown aggressively since its founding. * The company is expanding its **Colossus supercomputer cluster in Memphis**. * Musk has emphasized **speed** as xAI's primary competitive edge, likening it to the SR-71 Blackbird's strategy of acceleration. --- ### Tesla: Stock Performance and the Roadster * **"Biggest Meme Stock" Designation:** * Yale School of Management Senior Associate Dean **Jeff Sonnenfeld** called Tesla the **"biggest meme stock we’ve ever seen,"** stating that even Amazon at its peak was "nowhere near this level." * Sonnenfeld highlighted Tesla's **Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio**, which is "well above 200," describing it as "crazy" and significantly higher than comparable tech companies like Nvidia (P/E around 25-30), Apple (P/E around 35-36), and Microsoft (P/E around the same). * He suggested there might be "a little too much emphasis on the magic wand of Musk." * **Untraditional Stock Trading:** * Many analysts acknowledge that Tesla is traded based on **narrative and sentiment rather than fundamentals**. * Ryan Brinkman of J.P. Morgan previously stated, "Tesla shares continue to strike us as having become completely divorced from the fundamentals." * Skeptic Dan Nathan recently turned bullish on Tesla from a trading perspective due to "technical and sentiment," noting its strength in holding its 200-day moving average and resistance levels. * **Elon Musk's Stock Purchase:** * The report mentions Musk recently bought **$1 billion in Tesla stock**, his largest purchase ever, which sent the stock "skyrocketing." This is cited as a potential reason for the emphasis on Musk's influence. * **Tesla Roadster Teasers and Delays:** * Elon Musk has again teased the capabilities of the **Tesla Roadster**, fueling anticipation despite no public production or delivery date. * The Roadster was initially planned for release in **2020**, but is still not in production as of September 2025. * Musk stated the Roadster is **"something special beyond a car."** * Delays are attributed to **"radically increased design goals"** for the vehicle. * Tesla exec Lars Moravy confirmed the Roadster is "definitely in development" and that they are gearing up for a "super cool demo" that will be "mind-blowing." * **Current Tesla Stock Price:** * At the time of publication (September 17, 2025, 3:25 p.m. ET), Tesla was trading around **$423.76**. --- ### Numerical Data and Context: * **ARC-AGI Benchmark:** Grok 4 achieved "SOTA" (State-of-the-Art) results, indicating top performance in reasoning and problem-solving tasks. The specific scores or rankings are not detailed, but it's presented as a significant achievement. * **Grok 5 Training Timeline:** Training is set to begin "in a few weeks," with an expected release "before the end of the year." * **Tesla P/E Ratios:** * Tesla: "well above 200" * Nvidia: "around 25 or 30" * Apple: "maybe 35 or 36" * Microsoft: "around the same" * This comparison highlights Tesla's significantly higher valuation relative to its earnings compared to major tech peers. * **Tesla Stock Price:** $423.76 (as of September 17, 2025, 3:25 p.m. ET). * **Tesla Roadster Planned Release:** Originally 2020, but delayed. * **Elon Musk's Tesla Stock Purchase:** $1 billion. * **xAI Founding Date:** March 2023. --- ### Notable Trends and Concerns: * **Trend:** xAI's rapid progress and ambition to achieve AGI with Grok 5. * **Trend:** Elon Musk's continued influence and ability to generate significant anticipation for his products and ventures. * **Concern:** Tesla's stock valuation being perceived as disconnected from fundamentals and heavily reliant on Musk's influence ("meme stock" status). * **Concern:** Ongoing delays in the Tesla Roadster's production, despite repeated teasers and reassurances.

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Elon Musk He also announced that xAI’s upcoming model, Grok 5, will begin training very soon. MINISTÉRIO DAS COMUNICAÇÕES, CC BY 2.0 , via Wikimedia Commons Share Tweet Elon Musk has reiterated a rather shocking tidbit about xAI’s impressive scores at the ARC-AGI benchmark. He also announced that xAI’s upcoming model, Grok 5, will begin training very soon.

xAI results on the ARC-AGI benchmark In a recent post on social media platform X, Greg Kamradt, President of the ARC Prize Foundation, noted that Grok 4 has been used in two SOTA submissions to the ARC-AGI V1 and V2 benchmarks. The submissions, which were the best that the foundation has encountered to date, were done using xAI’s large language model, Grok 4.

As per Kamradt, when asked about why the submissions were done using Grok 4, the authors stated that “It was the best model I used in testing.” Musk was evidently proud of this accomplishment, though he also highlighted that these accomplishments were attained with just Grok 4. This suggests that once Grok 5 is in the picture, xAI’s lead in the AI sector could become notable.

Grok 5 incoming Elon Musk has shared a number of tidbits about Grok 5 as of late. In recent comments on X, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO stated that he believes Grok 5 has the potential to actually reach artificial general intelligence (AGI). This suggests that Grok 5 would be nothing short of a monster, as it could be capable of matching or surpassing human-level intelligence across tasks such as thinking, reasoning, and other domains by a substantial margin.

Grok 5 may also be coming soon. As per Musk in another post on X, xAI will be starting the training of Grok 5 in a few weeks. Musk definitely seems to be highly optimistic about the capabilities of Grok 5, with the CEO stating late last month that the update would be coming before the end of the year and that it will be “crushingly good.

” Simon is an experienced automotive reporter with a passion for electric cars and clean energy. Fascinated by the world envisioned by Elon Musk, he hopes to make it to Mars (at least as a tourist) someday. For stories or tips--or even to just say a simple hello--send a message to his email, simon@teslarati.

com or his handle on X, @ResidentSponge. Elon Musk Tesla called ‘biggest meme stock we’ve ever seen’ by Yale associate dean Published 21 seconds agoon September 17, 2025 Credit: Tesla Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is being called “the biggest meme stock we’ve ever seen” by Yale School of Management Senior Associate Dean Jeff Sonnenfeld, who made the comments in a recent interview with CNBC.

Sonnenfeld’s comments echo those of many of the company’s skeptics, who argue that its price-to-earnings ratio is far too high when compared to other companies also in the tech industry. Tesla is often compared to companies like Apple, Nvidia, and Microsoft when these types of discussions come up. Fundamentally, yes, Tesla does trade at a P/E level that is significantly above that of any comparable company.

However, it is worth mentioning that Tesla is not traded like a typical company, either. Here’s what Sonnenfeld said regarding Tesla: “This is the biggest meme stock we’ve ever seen. Even at its peak, Amazon was nowhere near this level. The PE on this, well above 200, is just crazy. When you’ve got stocks like Nvidia, the price-earnings ratio is around 25 or 30, and Apple is maybe 35 or 36, Microsoft around the same.

I mean, this is way out of line to be at a 220 PE. It’s crazy, and they’ve, I think, put a little too much emphasis on the magic wand of Musk.” Many analysts have admitted in the past that they believe Tesla is an untraditional stock in the sense that many analysts trade it based on narrative and not fundamentals.

Ryan Brinkman of J.P. Morgan once said: “Tesla shares continue to strike us as having become completely divorced from the fundamentals.” Dan Nathan, another notorious skeptic of Tesla shares, recently turned bullish on the stock because of “technicals and sentiment.” He said just last week: “I think from a trading perspective, it looks very interesting.

” Nathan said Tesla shares show signs of strength moving forward, including holding its 200-day moving average and holding against current resistance levels. Sonnenfeld’s synopsis of Tesla shares points out that there might be “a little too much emphasis on the magic wand of Musk.” Elon Musk just bought $1 billion in Tesla stock, his biggest purchase ever This could refer to different things: perhaps his recent $1 billion stock buy, which sent the stock skyrocketing, or the fact that many Tesla investors are fans and owners who do not buy and sell on numbers, but rather on news that Musk might report himself.

Tesla is trading around $423.76 at the time of publication, as of 3:25 p.m. on the East Coast. Elon Musk Elon Musk teases the capabilities of the Tesla Roadster once again Published 3 hours agoon September 17, 2025 Elon Musk has once again teased the capabilities of the Tesla Roadster, fueling the anticipation that many have for the vehicle, despite it still having no public production or delivery date.

The Roadster is among the most anticipated vehicles in the automotive sector currently, and as Tesla has teased its capabilities, from a lightning-fast 1.1-second 0-60 MPH acceleration to potential hovering with cold-gas thrusters, people are eager to see it. Although the design seemed to be finalized, there was still more work to be done.

Earlier this year, as Tesla was showcasing some of the Roadster’s capabilities to Musk, he stated that it was capable of even more. This pushed back its production date even further, much to the chagrin of those who have been waiting years for it. Musk continues to tease us all, and as we sit here waiting hopelessly for it to be revealed, he said today that it is “something special beyond a car.

” The new Roadster is something special beyond a car — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 17, 2025 Musk’s words were in response to a video posted by Tesla China, showing the Roadster in a new promotional video created by a fan. The Roadster was planned to be released in 2020, but here we are in 2025, and there is still no sign of the vehicle entering production.

However, Tesla did say earlier this year that it would host a demo event for the Roadster, where the company would showcase its capabilities. Lars Moravy said earlier this year: “Roadster is definitely in development. We did talk about it last Sunday night. We are gearing up for a super cool demo. It’s going to be mind-blowing; We showed Elon some cool demos last week of the tech we’ve been working on, and he got a little excited.

” Tesla exec gives big update on Roadster, confirming recent rumor The delays have been attributed to “radically increased design goals” for the vehicle, which have, without a doubt, improved its capabilities, but at the same time, we just want to know if it’s ever going to come. Tesla can always make it “better,” but at what point do you say, “Okay, it’s time to show this thing off.

” They could always build another, even more capable supercar in the next ten years. Elon Musk Elon Musk says xAI has a chance to reach AGI with Grok 5 The comment came after Grok 4 posted strong results on the ARC-AGI benchmark. Published 6 hours agoon September 17, 2025 (Credit: xAI) Elon Musk suggested this week that his artificial intelligence startup xAI has the potential to reach artificial general intelligence (AGI) with the next version of its large language model, Grok 5.

The comment came after Grok 4 posted strong results on the ARC-AGI benchmark, which tests reasoning and problem-solving ability. Musk sees Grok 5 as AGI candidate In a post on X, user @amXFreeze shared the latest results of the ARC-AGI leaderboard, which showed Grok 4 outpacing rival systems such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT in problem-solving and open program synthesis tasks.

Musk reacted to the performance by stating that “I now think xAI has a chance of reaching AGI with Grok 5. Never thought that before.” Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) refers to an AI system that is capable of matching or surpassing human-level intelligence across tasks such as thinking, reasoning, and other domains by a notable margin, as noted in a report from Benzinga.

AI companies today are actively pursuing AGI. xAI’s speed While xAI was only established in March 2023, the startup has grown aggressively. Since its founding, it has rapidly risen in the AI segment and its Grok large language model has become a mainstream option for everyday users, especially on social media platform X.

The company is still growing aggressively, and it is currently expanding its Colossus supercomputer cluster in Memphis. During xAI’s Engineering Open House event in San Francisco in its early days, Elon Musk highlighted that speed would be the company’s primary competitive edge. To highlight this, Musk stated that “No SR-71 Blackbird was ever shot down and it only had one strategy: to accelerate.

” So far, xAI is definitely playing this role very well.