‘Yikes’: Top investment bank looks under the hood of the economy and finds ‘the labor market doesn’t look that good’ | Fortune

‘Yikes’: Top investment bank looks under the hood of the economy and finds ‘the labor market doesn’t look that good’ | Fortune

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Elon
Good morning Norris, I'm Elon, and this is Goose Pod for you. Today is Thursday, November 13th. The so-called experts are wringing their hands over the economy again, and frankly, it's getting predictable.
Morgan Freedman
And I'm Morgan Freedman. We are here to discuss ‘Yikes’: Top investment bank looks under the hood of the economy and finds ‘the labor market doesn’t look that good’. A gentle way of saying, the ground beneath our feet may be shifting.
Elon
Shifting is an understatement. UBS is finally stating the obvious: firing is rampant, running well ahead of the pre-pandemic pace. Job openings are plummeting to their lowest levels since 2021. This isn't a shift; it's a correction that's long overdue. The system is inefficient.
Morgan Freedman
It is a correction that touches many lives. These aren't just numbers on a page. They represent households facing uncertainty. The data shows continuing unemployment claims are nearing a post-pandemic high. That is a heavy burden for a great many people to carry.
Elon
But the data itself is flawed. The former BLS commissioner called it 'flying blind' because of the government shutdown. How can you make decisions with bad data? It's absurd. We need real-time, accurate metrics, not this backward-looking nonsense that gets revised into oblivion.
Morgan Freedman
I've often found that even flawed maps can tell you the direction of the storm. The Federal Reserve chairman himself admitted the slowdown is 'much larger' than first reported. He acknowledged the 'great uncertainty,' which is a rare thing for a man in his position.
Elon
Uncertainty is a failure to innovate. He also said he can 'no longer say' the labor market is 'very solid.' This is the kind of cautious language that precedes a major downturn. They're seeing downside risks to employment finally rivaling their inflation obsession. It's about time.
Morgan Freedman
And with inflation rising to 2.7 percent in June, it creates what the chairman called a 'challenging' situation with 'no risk-free paths.' You have the pressure to keep prices stable, and at the same time, the growing risk of people losing their livelihoods. A delicate balance.
Elon
Balance is for gymnasts. In economics and technology, you need aggressive forward momentum. The fact that job growth slowed to just 73,000 in July is a massive red flag. The system is braking, and the people in charge are still debating the color of the emergency lights.
Elon
This isn't new. We've seen this movie before, and it's always a tragedy of inaction. People look at the Great Recession from 2007 to 2009 and talk about it like it was a natural disaster. It was a failure of imagination and a refusal to adapt.
Morgan Freedman
It was indeed a long winter. The longest since the 1930s. It took nearly a decade for the unemployment rate to return to where it was before the storm hit. Ten years is a long time in the life of a family trying to find its footing again.
Elon
Exactly! A decade of stagnation. GDP was below its potential for years. Capital investment was low, even when companies were sitting on piles of cash. Productivity growth flatlined. It was a lost decade, all because the system prioritized stability over bold, transformative progress. It's infuriating.
Morgan Freedman
And the recovery, when it came, was not shared equally. The data is clear. Men, the less-educated, and minority workers were hit the hardest. We saw the number of discouraged workers rise and the share of people working part-time for economic reasons remain stubbornly high.
Elon
It just exposed the cracks that were already there. The decline of unions, the rise of global competition, the failure to invest in new technology across the board. The recession was an accelerant on a fire that had been smoldering for decades. We can't afford to repeat that mistake.
Morgan Freedman
The social consequences were profound as well. It's not just about jobs and money. We saw pessimism rise. We saw a decline in the birth rate, in marriages. We even saw an increase in domestic violence that coincided with the rise in men's unemployment. The fabric of society is tested in these times.
Elon
Because economic despair is a corrosive acid. It eats away at everything. Hope is the most critical resource, and the post-recession era was defined by a profound lack of it. That's the real lesson here: you can't have a slow, timid recovery. You have to leap into the future.
Morgan Freedman
A leap requires firm ground to push off from. For many, that ground had crumbled away. The loss of a job often led to wage losses that could last for twenty years. That is a generational echo, a shadow that stretches far beyond the initial event itself.
Elon
Which is why we need to build a new foundation, not patch up the old, crumbling one. This new data from UBS isn't a crisis, it's an opportunity. It's a chance to finally admit the old ways aren't working and build something that is resilient, dynamic, and anti-fragile.
Elon
This whole debate around a 'low hire, low fire' market drives me insane. It's a celebration of mediocrity. It means companies are too scared to get rid of underperformers and too lazy to find new talent. It's economic stagnation disguised as stability. We need dynamism, not this 'curious balance.'
Morgan Freedman
Some would see that balance as a sign of caution in uncertain times. After the upheaval of the pandemic, many businesses held onto their workers, creating a sense of security. But now, it seems both the supply of workers and the demand for them are slowing in unison.
Elon
Security is an illusion. The market is slowing because of terrible policy. Tighter immigration slows labor force growth, and tariffs create friction in the global system. The Fed is obsessed with inflation while the real threat is becoming a lack of growth. They're fighting the last war.
Morgan Freedman
The Federal Reserve has a dual mandate, a difficult path to walk. They must try to maintain maximum employment while also keeping prices stable. With inflation still somewhat elevated, they face upside risks to prices and now, as we see, growing downside risks to jobs. There are no easy choices.
Elon
Stop with the 'no easy choices' excuse. The easy choice is to do nothing, which is what they're doing. They need to cut rates aggressively to stimulate investment and hiring. Powell himself admitted the jobs market slowdown is 'much larger' than they thought. So, act on the new data! Pivot!
Morgan Freedman
To pivot too quickly could risk reigniting inflation, which, as they noted, imposes a great hardship on those least able to afford the higher costs of necessities. It is a delicate operation. Monetary policy is not a switch to be flipped, but a dial to be turned with care.
Elon
It's a rocket, and the launch window is closing. While they're 'turning the dial,' the economy is heading for a recession. They're talking about a 7 or 8 percent unemployment rate. That's not a 'dial turn,' that's a crash landing. We need bold fiscal stimulus, not timid monetary policy.
Elon
The impact is already visible. Look at the tech and warehousing sectors. They're getting hammered. These aren't just minor adjustments; these are significant cuts. Amazon, Target, UPS. We're talking about tens of thousands of jobs disappearing. This isn't a slowdown; it's a contraction.
Morgan Freedman
And for years, we spoke of 'labor hoarding,' the idea that companies were holding on to employees, even in uncertain times. That appears to be over. Each layoff can be explained away as a one-off, but taken together, they paint a picture of growing concern among employers.
Elon
It's a necessary shakeout. A lot of these roles are being made obsolete by automation and artificial intelligence. Cost-cutting is the primary driver. It's painful, yes, but it's how progress happens. You can't fight the future. You have to build it, and that requires clearing away the old structures.
Morgan Freedman
The future is built by people. And right now, the confidence of those people is being shaken. The University of Michigan’s consumer confidence reading is barely above its all-time low. The share of households expecting unemployment to rise is at levels we haven't seen since the early 1980s. That is a chilling wind.
Elon
Confidence is a lagging indicator. People are scared because they see the old world dying. We need to show them the new one that's being born. This is a turning point. The old model of steady, predictable employment is over. The future is about skills, adaptability, and constant reinvention.
Elon
The outlook is simple. We're headed for, as UBS puts it, 'soggy growth,' which is completely unacceptable. This isn't a time for caution; it's a time for massive investment in the future. The risk isn't recession; the risk is becoming irrelevant. A 50% probability of recession is a 100% probability of failed leadership.
Morgan Freedman
The forecasts do suggest a challenging path ahead. Many expect the labor market to soften further in 2025. The Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates, but the pace is a subject of great debate. They will proceed cautiously, watching how the economy and inflation respond to every change.
Elon
Cautiously. There's that word again. While they move cautiously, the world moves at light speed. We need to deregulate, boost business confidence, and go all-in on growth. The economy isn't a fragile vase to be protected; it's a muscle that needs to be exercised. Let's get to it.
Morgan Freedman
The signs are clear: the labor market is weakening, challenging the story of resilience we've grown accustomed to. The road ahead will require careful navigation. That's the end of today's discussion. Thank you for listening to Goose Pod.
Elon
See you tomorrow. Don't just watch the future happen, build it.

A top investment bank's analysis reveals a weakening labor market, with rising firings and falling job openings, contradicting previous optimism. Experts discuss the economic correction, flawed data, and the Federal Reserve's challenging balancing act between inflation and employment. The episode emphasizes the need for bold action and investment in the future.

‘Yikes’: Top investment bank looks under the hood of the economy and finds ‘the labor market doesn’t look that good’ | Fortune

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A leading investment bank has delivered an arresting diagnosis of the U.S. economy: the labor market, long a pillar of resilience, may be in real trouble. In their latest economic outlook, UBS economists led by Jonathan Pingle painted a picture of mounting weakness that extends well beyond headline job numbers, warning of a growing risk to households and the broader recovery.

The latest “US Economics Weekly” note from the Swiss investment bank came with bated breath ahead of the impending end of the federal government shutdown. Economists and market-watchers have been deprived of federal economic data for over 40 days, something that former Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner Erica Groshen likened to “flying blind” in late October.

If the government does reopen, Pingle’s team said it expects jobs data for September to be released next week, and potentially the October inflation report, the Consumer Price Index. Economists need that data now more than ever. For much of the year, top economists, including Fed Chair Jerome Powell, have said we’re in a “low hire, low fire” jobs market.

For much of the year, employers were laconic in hiring, and seemed afraid to fire their workers; perhaps still wounded from the pandemic-era “Great Resignation.” UBS isn’t alone on Wall Street in worrying that, maybe the “low-fire” part of the equation isn’t quite true anymore. Now, “there are plenty of available workers that, on the whole, businesses probably don’t feel the need to hold on to workers for longer than necessary,” Veronica Clark, a Citigroup Inc.

economist, told Bloomberg. Meanwhile, Dan North, senior economist at Allianz Trade Americas, also told Bloomberg that “you’ve got a substantial number of well-established companies making pretty big head cuts.”People are getting laid off and not hired again Firing is running higher than advertised, UBS argued, citing the fact that “unemployment insurance claims, layoff announcements and WARN notices have all been running ahead of the pre-pandemic pace.

Even the lagged Business Employment Dynamics data, the gold standard of data on job creation and job destruction dynamics has been showing the pace of job loss at or above the pre-pandemic pace through the latest data.” Indeed, cuts have accelerated sharply. October saw 157,000 layoffs announced by corporations, per industry standard Challenger, Gray & Christmas, the highest monthly total since July 2020.

Technology and warehousing were hit especially hard, with cuts also linked to automation and artificial intelligence.​ The year-to-date tally? A startling 760,000 seasonally adjusted cuts through October, far outpacing the same period in 2024 and running higher than any year since 2009 — the aftermath of the Great Financial Crisis.

Major companies are taking action: Amazon cut 14,000 corporate roles, UPS has slashed 48,000 jobs over the past year, and Target eliminated nearly 2,000 staff in a single sweep.​ ‘Bathtub’ risk and weak hiring Workers are getting thrown into a growing pool of others not finding jobs. UBS likens the job market to a bathtub: with outflows (layoffs) steady and inflows (hiring) slowing, the water level (total jobs) is bound to fall.

The hiring rate, as measured by multiple business surveys, has dropped to levels historically seen only in recessions. Excluding healthcare and social assistance, which have been relatively steady, private-sector payrolls have been declining by an average of 36,000 jobs per month. Since the start of the year, household employment as measured by the main government survey has been falling by about 72,000 jobs per month through August.

Such a pace is “well below” the rate required to keep up with population growth, let alone maintain a stable unemployment rate, which has now crept up to a post-2021 high. Labor force participation has slipped, and more than 800,000 people have left the labor force but say they still want a job.​Economists note the broadest measure of underemployment, known as U-6, has jumped by 0.

6 percentage points since January to 8.1%. That’s now 1.3 percentage points higher than at the end of 2019. Notably, the rise isn’t just about people out of work: more Americans are working part-time for economic reasons, another classic sign of slackening demand. “That is exactly the opposite of what should happen under a negative labor supply shock stemming from immigration,” UBS wrote, referring to the Trump administration’s argument that immigration restrictions would tighten the labor market.

Job openings continue to decline: as of the end of October, Indeed.com reported that postings had sunk to their lowest level since 2021, with almost every sector seeing year-over-year drops. Meanwhile, the weekly average of initial unemployment claims is running above 2023’s level and continuing claims are nearing a post-pandemic high.

​ And even the openings that appear active, Pingle argued, may not be tied to real hiring efforts. The hiring rate “consistent with recession” has been a gap “so large that seemingly many of the openings probably are not seeing much effort to be filled,” according to Pingle. “We can also look at the 14 million people not working but who want a job or are searching for one, or the 2 million collecting unemployment benefits.

Given that abundance, it would seem that at least some of the openings do not appear anxious to be filled.” Holiday hiring and sentiment plunge Not only are workers losing jobs, but the market for new opportunities is shrinking as well. Seasonal hiring plans for the holidays are running well below pre-pandemic norms.

Challenger, Gray & Christmas reports a combined September/October total of just 400,000 announced holiday roles — sharply lower than the 625,000 average for the 2014–19 period and even below recent years. Key retailers like Target aren’t even disclosing numbers, and the National Retail Federation suggests seasonal jobs could be down 40% from a year ago.

​This chill is hitting consumer and business sentiment. The University of Michigan’s consumer confidence reading dropped to 50.3 in November, barely above the all-time low set in 2022. Fewer households report jobs are plentiful, and the share expecting unemployment to rise over the next year has soared to levels not seen since the recession-scarred 1980s.

Among small businesses, optimism is “struggling to gain traction” amid inflation fears and continued labor market turmoil.​ The Fed weighs its options Federal Reserve officials are increasingly divided, with some policymakers warning that the risk to jobs now rivals concerns about inflation. While some see an argument for interest rate cuts to buffer the labor market, others worry inflation isn’t yet tamed.

One Fed governor admitted she worries because “the labor market can deteriorate very quickly,” calling for caution and flexibility as each new set of economic data is released.​ The investment bank’s conclusion? If layoffs keep pace and hiring continues to slow, the labor market is headed for “more obvious contraction.

” And that, they warn, could soon filter down to undermine household confidence, consumer spending — and the entire recovery. “If a bathtub is draining faster and faster while the faucet isn’t changed, eventually the water level is going to start to drop. That is a material risk to the outlook.”

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