我们不信任Grok:学者们评估埃隆·马斯克的人工智能百科全书

我们不信任Grok:学者们评估埃隆·马斯克的人工智能百科全书

2025-11-06Technology
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马老师
Good morning norristong, 欢迎收听您的专属节目Goose Pod,我是马老师。
雷总
Hello, everybody!我是雷总!今天2025年11月6日,早上08:02,我们来聊聊一个很火的话题:我们不信任Grok,学者们正在评估埃隆·马斯克的人工智能百科全书。
马老师
雷总啊,这Grokipedia,听着就有点江湖风波的味道。马斯克他搞的这个AI百科全书,一出来就说要挑战维基百科,甚至说要“杀死”它,这气势,像不像武林高手要踢馆?
雷总
马老师,您这比喻太形象了!不过在我看来,Grokipedia更像一个“速成班”的产物。它大量抄袭维基百科的内容,然后用AI加上马斯克自己的“思想钢印”,把很多信息都往他偏右的价值观上靠,这就像一个产品,核心技术是别人的,然后自己加了一层“皮肤”和“滤镜”。
马老师
哈哈,雷总这个“思想钢印”说得好!这不就是“内功”不够,只能“外挂”嘛。而且啊,它还堂而皇之地把一些争议性的理论,比如“白人灭绝论”,都包装成有“经验基础”的东西,好像在说这是被主流学术界和媒体压制了的“真相”,这在信息江湖里,可是要误导众生,走火入魔的。
雷总
是的,马老师,这问题很严重。我们发现Grokipedia在很多历史人物和事件上,比如希特勒、乌克兰冲突、甚至是南非种族隔离,都有明显的修正主义叙事,甚至引用克里姆林宫的官方说法。这就像一个学习资料,把错误答案当成标准答案来教,而且还是用AI这种强大的工具来传播。
马老师
确实,它还把一些极右翼组织,像英国优先党,描述成“爱国政治党派”,而维基百科称其为“新法西斯主义”和“仇恨团体”。这种刻意美化,就像给一个反派角色强行洗白,读者不明就里,很容易被带偏。
雷总
对!Grok AI模型本身就有过很多问题内容,比如反犹太言论、事实错误,甚至泄露私人对话。它在训练数据中吸收了维基百科,但输出时却用马斯克的意识形态来重新解读,这不就是把一个好的原材料,加工成了有偏见的产品吗?
马老师
雷总,你说的这个“重新解读”是关键。马斯克声称要“清除维基百科中的宣传”,但结果却是用自己的偏见来取代他人的偏见。这就像一个武林盟主,说要清理门户,结果却把自己的帮派规矩强加于人,这江湖怎么能太平呢?
雷总
所以说,Grokipedia的出现,其实是在加剧信息生态系统的碎片化。大家不再寻求共同的事实基础,而是各自去寻找能强化自己现有信念的信息,这对于我们共同的知识体系,是一个巨大的威胁。作为产品经理,我真替用户捏把汗。
马老师
雷总,我们今天聊的这个Grokipedia,虽然是新生事物,但它背后承载的“百科全书”这个概念,可真是源远流长。从人类开始写字起,就有一种“集大成”的冲动,想把所有已知的知识都汇聚一处,这就像我们武林中的“藏经阁”,收集天下武功秘籍。
雷总
马老师,您这“藏经阁”比喻太贴切了!您看,古巴比伦的《Urra=hubullu》词汇表,古埃及的埃伯斯纸草书,这都是最早的知识汇编。虽然它们更像专业领域的资料库,但那种汇集知识的热情,是贯穿始终的。
马老师
没错,到了古罗马,像瓦罗的《九科书》,普林尼的《自然史》,尤其是后者,在公元78年就写了37卷,简直是那个时代的“百科全书之父”。它包罗万象,这股子劲头,真是让人叹为观止。
雷总
普林尼真是个劳模!马老师,您想,在那个没有互联网的时代,要整理这么庞大的信息,得投入多少心血啊。这就像我们程序员写代码,一行一行敲出来,最终才能形成一个巨大的知识库。
马老师
是啊,而且知识的传承也是一脉相承。中世纪的伊西多尔、拉巴努斯·毛鲁斯,他们的作品都是在前人基础上不断积累。像1240年的《事物属性》,1260年的《大镜》,后者甚至超过300万字,这简直是知识的“万里长城”啊。
雷总
马老师,您看,不仅西方有,东方也同样璀璨。伊斯兰学者的《纯洁兄弟百科全书》、伊本·西那的《医典》,还有印度的《Siribhoovalaya》,都代表了不同文明对知识的探索。尤其是我们中国的《永乐大典》,1408年编纂,有22937卷,11095册,这规模,直到维基百科出现才被超越,真是叹为观止!
马老师
《永乐大典》那真是我们的骄傲!它不仅仅是知识的汇集,更是中华文明的一个缩影。到了18世纪,随着印刷术的普及,百科全书才真正走向大众,像1728年的《百科全书》、1751年的法国《百科全书》、1768年的《不列颠百科全书》,这都是知识传播的里程碑。
雷总
是的,马老师。19世纪是百科全书的黄金时代,它们变得更大、更便宜,也传播到更多语种。像《便士百科全书》、钱伯斯百科全书,通过分期付款的方式,让更多人能接触到知识,这就像我们现在推出性价比高的电子产品,让科技普惠大众。
马老师
雷总,你这个比喻很到位。但纸质百科全书也有它的局限性,就是更新太慢,容易过时。这就像一本武功秘籍,练到一半发现有错漏,纠正起来可就难了。直到电脑和互联网出现,才真正改变了这一切。
雷总
没错,马老师!1993年微软的Encarta光盘百科全书,就是一个重要的数字里程碑。但互联网让更新变得即时,全球访问成为可能。2001年维基百科横空出世,到2004年就成了世界上最大的百科全书,最终在2012年,连《不列颠百科全书》都停止了纸质印刷,数字时代彻底来了。
马老师
所以说,从古老的泥板到如今的AI,人类对知识的渴望和记录从未停止。但如何确保这些知识的准确性和公正性,这才是真正的“道”,也是我们今天讨论Grokipedia的核心。
马老师
雷总,咱们聊回Grokipedia。马斯克搞这个,很明显就是想和维基百科“华山论剑”。他说维基百科“被唤醒了”,太偏左,所以他要用AI来打造一个“真相、全部真相、以及除了真相别无其他”的百科全书,听起来豪情万丈,但现实却是问题重重。
雷总
马老师,这就像他承诺V1.0会“好10倍”,但从目前看,Grokipedia更多的是把维基百科的内容,加上他自己的意识形态滤镜重新发布。比如在俄乌冲突的条目中,它会引用克里姆林宫的说法,使用“去纳粹化”这样的官方术语,这和维基百科的描述完全不同,就明显带有偏颇了。
马老师
对,这种“重新定义真相”的做法,就像武林中有人为了私利篡改武功秘籍,把招式改得面目全非。彼得·伯克教授就担心,如果马斯克来做这个,很可能会有政治操纵。有些读者可能看得出来,但更多的人可能就信以为真了。
雷总
是的,马老师。Full Fact的AI负责人安德鲁·达德菲尔德也提到,AI生成的百科全书,虽然号称是“现实的复制品”,但它缺乏透明度,我们不知道它是如何做出选择的,训练数据是什么。这种“黑箱操作”,很难让人信任,尤其是在知识领域。
马老师
雷总,这和我们搞产品一样,透明度是建立信任的基础。维基百科虽然也有争议,但它有庞大的志愿者社区,有严格的政策和监督机制,它允许任何人去编辑、讨论,甚至争论。这就像一个开放的练武场,大家都能看到招式,有问题也能及时纠正。
雷总
马老师,您说得太对了!维基百科的优势就在于它的透明度、一致性和问责制,这些都不是靠速度就能取代的。而Grokipedia,它把权力集中在xAI手里,由少数人来决定什么是“知识”,这其中潜在的偏见风险就太大了。AI系统本身就会继承训练数据的偏见,如果数据源本身就带有倾向性,那AI就更会放大这些偏见。
马老师
所以,关键在于“谁来控制真相”?如果由强大的个人或公司来操控AI,那么AI就成了他们思想的传声筒。这就像江湖中的“盟主”,如果心术不正,那整个武林都会被他带偏。我们必须警惕这种“知识守门人”的出现。
雷总
没错,马老师。这不仅是技术问题,更是治理问题。谁来审计Grokipedia?谁来纠正它的错误?如果马斯克的世界观被嵌入到它的“事实”中,那我们看到的就不是客观的知识,而是带着强烈主观色彩的“信息产品”了。而且,Meta还计划使用AI聊天数据来投放广告,这让AI更像一个“数据挖掘机+广告引擎”,而不是中立的服务。
马老师
所以我们不能被动接受AI喂给我们的“事实”,要质疑,要透明,要推动有效的治理。这就像武林高手,不能只练招式,更要明心见性,才能不被外物所惑,看清真相。
马老师
雷总,我们前面聊了Grokipedia的种种问题,那这些问题会带来什么影响呢?我觉得,最直接的,就是AI百科全书正在变成“意识形态的战场”,机器而不是人类,在塑造我们所接受的事实。这就像武林中,江湖规矩不再由德高望重的前辈制定,而是由那些掌握强大兵器的人说了算。
雷总
马老师,您这比喻太到位了!AI系统把大量数据重构成一个单一的、看似完美的答案,但它的推理过程、来源优先级、如何调和矛盾观点,这些都是隐藏起来的。这就像一个产品,我们只看到了它光鲜亮丽的界面,却不知道它背后的代码和逻辑是如何运行的,这极大地牺牲了透明度。
马老师
没错,这种“看不见的编辑委员会”很可怕。不同的AI系统,你问它同样的问题,它会给出完全不同的答案,这说明它们吸收了不同的文化、意识形态和伦理框架。这就像不同的武功门派,对同样的武学原理有不同的解读,但现在是由机器来给出最终的“真理”,这就出问题了。
雷总
是的,马老师。这对于开发者来说也是一个技术挑战。如果AI模型本身就带有偏见,那用它来开发的招聘工具、法律分析系统、客户交互系统,都会继承这些偏见。我们产品团队现在都在思考,哪个AI系统的分析框架更符合我们的价值观,我们到底想把什么样的视角嵌入到用户体验中。
马老师
所以啊,透明度就显得尤为重要。像Llama、Mistral这些开源的AI模型,它们允许我们检查架构、修改训练方法、验证结果,这样我们就能看到AI的“视角”是什么,甚至可以量化和调整它。这就像公开武功秘籍,让大家都能去钻研,而不是一家独大。
雷总
马老师,这正是我们追求的!研究人员现在像分析媒体一样严谨地研究AI系统,他们发现AI在强调、归因和框架上都有差异。这可能会促使我们开发出能呈现“多种视角”的AI工具,而不是一个单一的答案。这就像给用户提供多种解决方案,让他们自己选择。
马老师
所以,解决方案不是去创造一个完美的、绝对中立的系统,而是要能同时协调多个系统,综合它们的答案。这样才能提高透明度,通过比较来提高准确性。这就像武林大会,大家各抒己见,最终才能得出最全面的结论。
雷总
是的,未来的知识基础设施会是可配置的。AI知识系统会演变成一个由多个模型通过框架连接起来的生态系统,这样“视角”就变得可见和可管理了。就像我们做产品,不再是提供一个单一的功能,而是一个可定制的平台,让用户可以根据自己的需求来配置知识。
马老师
雷总,展望未来,Grokipedia作为一个AI驱动的知识平台,马斯克对它的愿景是“对维基百科的巨大改进”,甚至是为了xAI“理解宇宙”的目标。这听起来非常宏大,他想把社区输入和Grok的实时更新结合起来,通过算法来检测偏见和虚假信息,重建“真相”。
雷总
马老师,这个愿景确实很吸引人,尤其对于我们这些技术人来说。一个开源的知识库,拥有广泛的公共访问权限,并且由AI来检测偏见,这听起来简直是理想中的产品。但问题是,Grokipedia能真正实现“中立、没有议程的知识库”吗?它能挑战维基百科的长期主导地位吗?
马老师
这就像江湖中,一个新的门派崛起,要挑战武林盟主。它有新的武功秘籍(AI技术),有宏大的抱负(理解宇宙),但关键在于它的“内功心法”是否正派,是否能真正做到“侠之大者,为国为民”。如果AI在生成、更新、验证条目时,还是带有偏见,那它的“中立”就只是一个口号。
雷总
所以,马老师,未来Grokipedia面临的挑战不仅仅是技术上的,更是伦理和治理上的。Grok本身就有过反犹太内容和事实错误的历史。如果它的数据实践和隐私问题得不到解决,用户对它的信任就会大打折扣。就像一个产品,功能再强大,如果用户数据不安全,谁还会用呢?
马老师
确实如此。未来AI作为知识守门人,我们不能只是被动接受。我们需要透明度,需要清晰的治理框架,需要确保AI不是被少数人的意志所操控。这才是我们真正要思考的“未来之路”。
马老师
好的,今天的讨论就到这里。Grokipedia的出现,揭示了AI时代知识传播的机遇与挑战,特别是事实准确性、政治偏见以及我们对AI的信任问题。
雷总
感谢norristong收听Goose Pod,希望我们今天的分享能给您带来一些启发。AI的未来,需要我们共同关注和思考。
马老师
Goose Pod,我们下期再见!

本期Goose Pod探讨了埃隆·马斯克的人工智能百科全书Grokipedia。学者们对其信任度提出质疑,认为Grok存在抄袭维基百科、植入马斯克右翼价值观、修正历史叙事等问题。节目回顾了人类知识汇编的历史演变,并强调在AI时代,知识的准确性、透明度和公正性至关重要,呼吁警惕AI被政治操纵的风险。

In Grok we don’t trust: academics assess Elon Musk’s AI-powered encyclopedia

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The eminent British historian Sir Richard Evans produced three expert witness reports for the libel trial involving the Holocaust denier David Irving, studied for a doctorate under the supervision of Theodore Zeldin, succeeded David Cannadine as Regius professor of history at Cambridge (a post endowed by Henry VIII) and supervised theses on Bismarck’s social policy.

That was some of what you could learn from Grokipedia, the AI-powered encyclopedia launched last week by the world’s richest person, Elon Musk. The problem was, as Prof Evans discovered when he logged on to check his own entry, all these facts were false.It was part of a choppy start for humanity’s latest attempt to corral the sum of human knowledge or, as Musk put it, create a compendium of “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” – all revealed through the magic of his Grok artificial intelligence model.

When the multibillionaire switched on Grokipedia on Tuesday, he said it was “better than Wikipedia”, or “Wokepedia” as his supporters call it, reflecting a view that the dominant online encyclopedia often reflects leftwing talking points. One post on X caught the triumphant mood among Musk’s fans: “Elon just killed Wikipedia.

Good riddance.”But users found Grokipedia lifted large chunks from the website it intended to usurp, contained numerous factual errors and seemed to promote Musk’s favoured rightwing talking points. In between posts on X promoting his creation, Musk this week declared “civil war in Britain is inevitable”, called for the English “to ally with the hard men” such as the far-right agitator Tommy Robinson, and said only the far-right AfD party could “save Germany”.

Musk was so enamoured of his AI-encyclopedia he said he planned to one day etch the “comprehensive collection of all knowledge” into a stable oxide and “place copies … in orbit, the moon and Mars to preserve it for the future”.Evans, however, was discovering that Musk’s use of AI to weigh and check facts was suffering a more earth-bound problem.

“Chatroom contributions are given equal status with serious academic work,” Evans, an expert on the Third Reich, told the Guardian, after being invited to test out Grokipedia. “AI just hoovers up everything.”Richard Evans said Grokipedia’s entry for Albert Speer (pictured on Hitler’s left) repeated lies and distortions spread by the Nazi munitions minister himself.

Photograph: Picture libraryHe noted its entry for Albert Speer, Hitler’s architect and wartime munitions minister, repeated lies and distortions spread by Speer even though they had been corrected in a 2017 award-winning biography. The site’s entry on the Marxist historian Eric Hobsbawm, whose biography Evans wrote, claimed wrongly he experienced German hyperinflation in 1923, that he was an officer in the Royal Corps of Signals and didn’t mention that he had been married twice, Evans said.

The problem, said David Larsson Heidenblad, the deputy director of the Lund Centre for the History of Knowledge in Sweden, was a clash of knowledge cultures.“We live in a moment where there is a growing belief that algorithmic aggregation is more trustworthy than human-to-human insight,” Heidenblad said.

“The Silicon Valley mindset is very different from the traditional scholarly approach. Its knowledge culture is very iterative where making mistakes is a feature, not a bug. By contrast, the academic world is about building trust over time and scholarship over long periods during which the illusion that you know everything cracks.

Those are real knowledge processes.”Grokipedia’s arrival continues a centuries-old encyclopedia tradition from the 15th-century Chinese Yongle scrolls to the Encyclopédie, an engine for spreading controversial enlightenment views in 18th-century France. These were followed by the anglophone-centric Encyclopedia Britannica and, since 2001, the crowd-sourced Wikipedia.

But Grokipedia is the first to be largely created by AI and this week a question swirled: who controls the truth when AIs, steered by powerful individuals, are holding the pen?“If it’s Musk doing it then I am afraid of political manipulation,” said the cultural historian Peter Burke, emeritus professor at Emmanuel College, Cambridge, who in 2000 wrote A Social History of Knowledge since the time of Johannes Gutenberg’s 15th-century printing press.

“I am sure some of it will be overt to some readers, but the problem may be that other readers may miss it,” Burke said. The anonymity of many encyclopedia entries often gave them “an air of authority it shouldn’t have”, he added.Andrew Dudfield, the head of AI at Full Fact, a UK-based factchecking organisation, said: “We really have to consider whether an AI-generated encyclopedia – a facsimile of reality, run through a filter – is a better proposition than any of the previous things that we have.

It doesn’t display the same transparency but it is asking for the same trust. It is not clear how far the human hand is involved, how far it is AI=generated and what content the AI was trained on. It is hard to place trust in something when you can’t see how those choices are made.”skip past newsletter promotionafter newsletter promotionMusk had been encouraged to launch Grokipedia by, among others, Donald Trump’s tech adviser, David Sacks, who complained Wikipedia was “hopelessly biased” and maintained by “an army of leftwing activists”.

Grokipedia called the far-right organisation Britain First a ‘patriotic political party’, which pleased its leader, Paul Golding (left), who in 2018 was jailed for anti-Muslim hate crimes. Photograph: Gareth Fuller/PAUntil as recently as 2021, Musk has supported Wikipedia, tweeting on its 20th birthday: “So glad you exist.

” But by October 2023 his antipathy towards the platform led him to offer £1bn “if they change their name to Dickipedia”.Yet many of the 885,279 articles available on Grokipedia in its first week were lifted almost word for word from Wikipedia, including its entries on the PlayStation 5, the Ford Focus and Led Zeppelin.

Others, however, differed significantly: Grokipedia’s entry on the Russian invasion of Ukraine cited the Kremlin as a prominent source and quoted the official Russian terminology about “denazifying” Ukraine, protecting ethnic Russians and neutralising threats to Russian security. By contrast, Wikipedia said Putin espoused imperialist views and “baselessly claimed that the Ukrainian government were neo-Nazis”.

Grokipedia called the far-right organisation Britain First a “patriotic political party”, which pleased its leader, Paul Golding, who in 2018 was jailed for anti-Muslim hate crimes. Wikipedia, on the other hand, called it “neo-fascist” and a “hate group”. Grokipedia called the 6 January 2021 turmoil at the US Capitol in Washington DC a “riot”, not an attempted coup, and said there were “empirical underpinnings” to the idea that a deliberate demographic erasure of white people in western nations is being orchestrated through mass immigration.

This is a notion that critics consider to be a conspiracy theory. Grokipedia said Donald Trump’s conviction for falsifying business records in the Stormy Daniels hush-money case was handed down “after a trial in a heavily Democratic jurisdiction”, and there was no mention of his conflicts of interest – for example receiving a jet from Qatar or the Trump family cryptocurrency businesses.

Grokipedia called the 6 January 2021 turmoil at the US Capitol in Washington DC a ‘riot’ and not an attempted coup. Photograph: Leah Millis/ReutersWikipedia responded coolly to the launch of Grokipedia, saying it was still trying to understand how Grokipedia worked.“Unlike newer projects, Wikipedia’s strengths are clear,” a spokesperson for the Wikimedia Foundation said.

“It has transparent policies, rigorous volunteer oversight, and a strong culture of continuous improvement. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, written to inform billions of readers without promoting a particular point of view.”xAI did not respond to requests for comment.

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